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Bishop Brian Tamaki's Covenant Defence - Yeah Right!

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On Sunday, Bishop Brian Tamaki defended his convenant and the practises of his Destiny Church in a Sunday Star Times article. I felt that his general response of 'I didn't ask for this treatment' to be worthy of a Tui billboard - yeah, right!

Brian Tamaki stated that there was an "unauthentic protocols" document in circulation. This was the one where instruction is made that Destiny Church members should lay gifts down at his feet and bow down to him and his pastor wife, Hannah. To this, Tamaki answered that the moves "...did not originate with me and there is no inclination on my part to be approached in this way." But in the sentence just before those statements he appears to contradict himself by saying that "Destiny has protocols which compare to that of any other organisation that values order, respect and unity in their environment."

But he still defends his church's actions in having '700 sons' convenanted to him as "...the founder and spiritual father of this movement." Tamaki states that he considers this to be "...pure bible and revolutionary." He then goes onto cite the Old Testament and the lives of Elisha and his spiritual father the prophet Elijah, and then the New Testament work of the Apostle Paul and his spiritual sons, Timothy and Titus as providing biblical precedents.

What disturbs me, though, is that the Bible is being wrongly utilised to further enhance Tamaki's status. In fact, many academic scholars have commented that Destiny now has all the hallmarks of a Christian-based cult. Tamaki's article in the SST has not allayed any fears about this. In my view, the bishop did not defend his actions in a very plausible way either. I would sooner believe that Elvis was still alive than accept that Tamaki had not initiated any of the protocol suggestions.

After all, a good cult leader must seek to exert authoritarian control over his flock. Again, Bishop Brian's own words provide ample evidence of this: "The difficulty today's liberal society/church has with this model (the Destiny Church model) is that it's not democratically driven." Hence, no one within Destiny can question the word of Tamaki or his wife Hannah.

Yet, despite all the criticisms thrown at Bishop Brian, some central and local government politicians are ready to defend him. Waitakere Mayor Bob Harvey (whom I've always thought of as somewhat stupid) said that as none of his members weren't doing drugs or bashing people up, then that was a good thing. Ditto talkback host and Whanganui Mayor Michael Laws who made similar statements in his Sunday newspaper column. Destiny recently also announced that their conference had been attended by Pacific Island MPs Sua William Sio (Labour) and Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga (National). These MPs then praised the work of Destiny within their communities.

While it is true that some church members have come from dysfunctional backgrounds, it is the lure of authority that attracts these kinds of lost souls in the first place. While Destiny represents a different type of authority than that of, for example, the gang world, what is really happening is that their mainly Maori and Pasifika congregations are merely swapping giving money for drugs and booze to giving money for Brian's lifestyle. Their new drug of choice is to listen to Brian for a couple of hours on Sunday morning and that gives them their high for the week. All the while, Brian and his whanau are 'blessed' with the proceeds of their parishioners which he then spends to maintain his lavish lifestyle. Therefore, what's the difference between him and a wealthy gang boss? The only difference is that Brian is able to make a living via his church being legally recognised as a charity while the proceeds of crime of the gang boss are deemed illegal.

As I said in a previous blog, authoritarian based cults like Destiny tend to flourish in democracies like ours. My only hope remains that some of his church members will see through the rhetoric and leave.  In the meantime, Brian will still continue to proselytise in order to attract new customers, I mean, converts. And Tamaki will establish his hold over them through Destiny's covenants and protocols.

 

 

 

 

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I am considering what the

I am considering what the media have been reporting about Destiny Church; fabricating documents, making up stories to convince the people, thousands of viewers who believe whatever the news man says without question or investigation - and they call US a cult - one thing I NEVER hear the media say: "come to our studio and see for yourself"

Another self proclaimed

Another self proclaimed expert in biblical theology... Yeah Right!!! when was the last time you even read the Bible Mr Ford? 2000 BC? when was last time you attended a Christian church Mr Ford? Your last AA meeting? just because you can type doesn’t make you anyone other than a blowen up blogger with nothing better to do with his thumbs than to criticize people who are actually making a difference in our messed up world…

Actually you can't

Actually you can't type.
Covenant is spelt COV E NANT.
Your work also has many tangled secondary clauses. At least,although ill informed you are up with the latest ratings. Your article unapologetically rides on the coat tails of what is newsworthy in this nation.Go inform yourself and write on the statistics of abuse in our communities. The proceeds of crime, for example many 'P' children coming through as new entrants and practically unteachable, are just one small area Brian Tamaki is active in reforming and aware of.Shame on you and your spreading of ignorance and misinformation. I bet you have not even spoken to Tamaki or visited his church.

Destiny Church and Bishop

Destiny Church and Bishop Brian Tamaki and Pastor Hannah should be given a medal for the good work they are doing. I am an ex-Muslim, first time in my Christ- Like walk (10 years in UK too) have I come across a Christian Ministry that is making a difference in people's lives, life changes to a better Christ-Like walk. You want to see a cult, come talk to me and I will show you tens in Auckland alone, I used to be in one, so I should know. Destiny is the best thing that NZ has and I thank my God in Jesus Christ Daily for Bishop, Pt Hannah and Destiny Church Family. I am so grateful to have had the opportunity to call Destiny my family, for ever, Thank you Jesus. Blessed are the cursed in Christ Jesus.

Yes most definitely I say

Yes most definitely I say that it has made a huge difference to Brian & Henna’s life and personal bank balance and their opulent life style now they enjoy.

Chris Ford, no response !!

Chris Ford, no response !! Well, I am not surprised as you can't stand against someone who does know a lot about cults and much more about the Bible too. As my teacher has been the One True God in Jesus Christ.. As while I was yet a Muslim He, Jesus came to save me For Him and His Kingdom.. If you want to know more about my God and His Son Jesus Christ, we are always happy to help you.

You are an apostate!!!! Of

You are an apostate!!!!

Of course you have to sing Jesus praises because you cannot go back to Islam and you have to defend Destiny, otherwise the wrath of Brian will descend on you, with gnashing of teeth and tribulation.

If Jesus was alive today he would " cast the money men out of the temple"---and your Lord & master , Brian T , would be gone.

Brian is the second manifestation of Jesus , is he not?????---but then David Koresh claimed the same sort of stuff.

The problem we have is that there are so many of these individuals claiming they are divine.

PS I know a lot about the Bible and cults---and Destiny certainly fits the criteria

http://www.cultwatch.com/

The modern definition of "Cult" refers to any group that uses manipulative psychological “Mind Control” techniques to recruit and control their members.

Secondly, the historical definition of a cult is any group, which claims to be a Christian group yet teaches something that is not primarily a Christian belief.

Will Brian rise from the dead?

Hey there chris you and many

Hey there chris you and many others would not know what our church is all about or understand what our bishop is preaching,you guys prefer to judge from outside the doors, why don't you come to a service and see for yourself, or would you prefer to see those who gave up a life of crime and drugs go straight back out on the streets to come knocking at your door? Think before you print something negative like this.

Unlike some of the people

Unlike some of the people here commenting I have actually had Brian Tamaki and his family in my house and have questioned him quite intensely on his church and the vision that he has. In the beginning when he came on the scene I thought that this may be a man who could be a positive voice for the christians of this nation (this is what I actually said to Brian). I also said that I was disappointed in the direction that he was going. His response was to say that he was building an empire that his children would take over. This is just some of the things that were said to myself, my family and some friends. I am concerned with some of the things that Brian is teaching and especially for Brian himself because he is in my opinion (and this is only my opinion) leaving himself open for attack by our adversery. Irrespective of who he is or what his fruit is, he is a man who is just like every other person on this planet, a sinner who needs the saving grace of Jesus Christ. S

On the official Bishop

On the official Bishop Tamaki site - www.bishoptamaki.org.nz - he claims to be "the physical manifestation of God"!

This begs the question: How

This begs the question: How many manifestations of God are there?

All these " wolves in sheep's clothing" eventually claim they are the manifestation of god.

David Koresh ( of Waco Fame) proclaimed the same sort of stuff.

When will Brian be announcing " his second Coming" --or is he already here?

He is also on record as saying that Jesus' body did not rise from the dead.

I guess if he is the self proclaimed manifestation of God, then he can re-interpret the bible

I would draw the readers attention to:
Luke 11.39
Mathew 23.25 and 7.15
Mark 7.4 and 10:17-25

How many churches in NZ have security guards on the door and an ATM machine in the foyer--great marketing though!

Brian is similar to those men-of-god you see on TV-----like Creflo " give me a cheque" Dollar.

In the old days, the catholic priests sold indulgences----a poor man did not get a secure spot in heaven because he could only give a few pennies to the Church------but a rich man could..

What we have here is narcissism and a touch of the meglo-maniac........and a lot of directionless , vulnerable people who need something to fill the vacuum in their empty lives.......

..and the Destiny people replying to these posts are NOT allowed to criticize the Anointed One, so their opinions are invalid..........

I do admire the Quakers though---they have no pastors or bishops who " intercede" on their behalf with God............they practice what they preach , have integrity and do not want to build an empire on their terms.

"How many churches in NZ

"How many churches in NZ have security guards on the door and an ATM machine in the foyer--great marketing though!"

Go and prove to me there is an ATM in any of the Destiny Churches around NZ. But you wont, because there are none. We have eftpos terminals because in reality, who has cash on them these days.

"How many churches in NZ

"How many churches in NZ have security guards on the door and an ATM machine in the foyer--great marketing though!"

Go and prove to me there is an ATM in any of the Destiny Churches around NZ. But you wont, because there are none. We have eftpos terminals because in reality, who has cash on them these days.

2 “You shall not make for

2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

So now putting his image to God?

"So now putting his image to

"So now putting his image to God?"

No. putting Gods image in him

"You were created in the image of God"

Gidday there Chris, well

Gidday there Chris, well I've just read your article about bishop and destiny church and to be quite honest, you could not be so further away from the truth my friend. You take statements from other people who ridicule the church and then you add your bit on without checking out the church first. The doors are always open for you to come and check things out,see for yourself. Thank god for destiny church, if it weren't for the church I would have probably been a bum, gone back to wearing a patch and been a menace to society. No good!!!!

Well i have just watched the

Well i have just watched the close up episode on channel 1 tonight and have come to the conclusion that maybe, there is some truth behind what we have been reading in the media and seen on the news.
I watched really closely Bishop or Pastor brian or wateva he calls himself these days and realised that he couldnt answer any of the questions with confidence he also had an appalling attitude, I mean what kind of Pastor talks like that, and where in that broadcast did he show the humbleness of Jesus, I am a christian and if I had to step into a Destiny church, and saw that kind of attitude going on I am quite adamant I'd be walking straight back out, I had alot of respect for Brian Tamaki I even use to get up and watch his show in the morning but after tonights episode of close up I can no longer say I am convinced that he is a true prophet of God

Mt 7:15 Jesus said to his

Mt 7:15 Jesus said to his disciples: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing,but underneath are ravenous wolves

Words from the Bible.

Words from the Bible.

Good article. Comments from

Good article. Comments from believers are predictable. Yet what if these people want refunds when they become disillusioned? I suggest donations to religious groups be legally required to be placed in an escrow account refundable in full at the donar's demand. And that religions be required to have indemnity reserves to draw on for refunds/payouts- as for insurance companies. From: Sebastian at: pyangana.blogspot.com my website is called - How Not To Believe- and is an expose of belief systems.

Being an unbeliever Fordy

Being an unbeliever Fordy still allows you to make observations and opinions. Thats what a free democracy is all about. Your left wing would take it from us just as fast as the right. Some of the good Bishops ways are novel to say the least. However he has a small army of followers that do a tremendous amount of good work that is not always seen or reported. When was the last time you worked with wayward youth.the sick, elderly, criminals and all the people that need a lift. May not be best to throw stones here. If he and his followers answer to any one it is God himself. Then again in the form of humanism that you worshiop Fordy is that you....

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