I have checked the latest information from the IWC Scientific Committee, and Antarctic minke whales are estimated to number between 461,000 and 688,000 whales.

http://www.iwcoffice.org/_documents/commission/future/IWC-M10-SWG6.pdf

This is obviously not an endangered species, and even Japan's existing quotas of 850 minkes a year is less than 0.2% of the lower estimate.

The scientific working group document also says, "the SAG agrees that the short-term catches proposed are not likely to adversely affect the long-term status of the stocks."

On this basis, I can not see a justification for WWF's suggestion that the Southern Ocean must be a sanctuary, and indeed I don't see a reason why the Japanese should feel they must compromise by reducing catches.

Their existing catches are already highly conservative.

If New Zealand is able to win a compromise from Japan that would see them reduce these catches to even more conservative levels, I think New Zealand would be both foolish and selfish not to accept it.

Fantastic news. Now to send the Sea Shepherd thugs to the bottom of the ocean.

Stopping whaling has nothing to do with avoiding reducing a species to an endangered level...It has to do with the senseless slaughtering of an intelligent mammal catering to the food lusts essentially of a heathen race.

Whaling at any level has no by-line and cannot be justified on some quid-pro-quo basis interlaced with political considerations that seek to justify.

To say that the introduction of an acceptable quota system will reduce the kill levels from 2000+ to 850 or so, is nothing more than more bullshit posturing by these heathen arseholes paying lip service to attempted international appeasement.

The most effective measure is to outright ban whaling and to enforce it militarily through the Navy on a zero tolerance basis. Any Jappa whaling boat caught inside the sanctuary gets sunk -- end of story. Forget the so-called diplomatic political bargaining approach with these bastards and take the hard line. After-all what the hell are they going to do about it...impose sanctions etc ???...cut ties???...great fuck off then who the hell needs you.

Remember also that these heathen sushi mongrels have a very long history of putting on a smiling diplomatic face whilst concealing a dark hidden agenda with daggers poised.

To cut such a claimed compromise deal with the Japs (and the others) is turning a blind eye to the cruelty inflicted on whales in the name of diplomacy and for what for christ sake....just so a heathen minority group in the world can gluttonously gorge itself on whale meat...the practice is pure self gratification.

BG

The nats should think again. Endorsing whale killing at any level is just another nail in the coffin of their governance of this country. The New Zealand ordinary folk simply will not accept this as a viable option, and you are very out of touch if you think they will, no matter how the sycophantic media spins it. Wake up and smell the sushi.

Malcolm,I wasn't focused in my comments about endangering the longevity of the species, I was referring to the fact that even a quota is fuckin unacceptable...So it cuts both ways in effect.

I stick to my guns (no pun intended) that these bastards should simply be blown out of the water if they venture into our part of the world, thereby serving as an example for the rest of the world to follow.

And their whaling is is all about catering to the needs of the lucrative food market for them in sushi land....FUCK EM'.

Yhy cut these arrogant pigs any slack at all with some bullshit agreement that behind the scenes has in any case been agreed to for all the wrong reasons by a bunch of gutless pocket lining self serving politicians.

BG

Barby q Declare yourself a Vegetarian or an imbicile.
You have no choice. We eat meat, Lions eat meat, Fish eat fish....Its the circle of life. Survival of the fittest? Your only opposition can be a religious one or else it is just one species against another.

Maybe you need to declare that too.

And Jim you clearly don't know anything about ecology as you do care to say that whaling a proliferating species is a problem....a species that is reported to consume more than the entire world fishing fleets fisheries take in a year. Balanced fishing across the species would be a much better a plan than to protect one Holy Sea cow at the expense of the oceans balance.

But that is logical and this debate has NOthing to do with logic from your side. As Barbs says so fittingly "what can we say?". Well nothing rational.

And Brian.. Holy Brian You Saint Brian of Holy New Zealand
Those heathens in Japan...those evil lowly Pigs as you describe them...those fishermen bringing home the Bacon ooops (that is Ok in New Zealand...well it aint in Holy Iran ...they aren't heathens)
I should say bringing home the Kujira (A program advised to be expanded by the west that now having pillaged the oceans of whales until almost 1980 and so now make hypocrites of themselves)
Those heathens as you righteously observe...
-Thieve a quarter of the times Kiwis do...(look　this all up you supreme species white boy)
-Murder at least half as many times...
-Rape a quarter of the times Kiwi Men do...
-Divorce less...
-Adulterate less...
-Give far more foreign aid to developing countries
-Still think it wrong to have people being sold as prostitutes...
-Build the greenest cars on the planet...
-Have a similar carbon foot print...
-Use less land in total than NZ for their living and economic activities. Yes Japan has far more wild land than Clean Green (Not) NZ
That is about 1/30th of the land per person to support their lifestyles than a fat greedy New Zealander....and on that little patch of ground they work hard being the second largest economy in the world with a population half that of the largest.

Those Pigs and heathens who you advocate slaughtering...who you think New Zealand should sink their ships...have a Navy larger than the British navy though they haven't used it in any hostility since they got rid of their military dictators of WW2.

I recommend those pigs that out number you saints there in New Zealand defend in International waters their vessels from Pirates...
and Ignoramuses who are accountable for more whale slaughter than the Japanese by a long shot.
You and Barby (Are you a BBQ fan there with a name like that...Tofu only of course) and Jim there were washing your little pink bottoms with Whale oil only a few short years ago. Made in New Zealand/Aussie Whale oil, perhaps the New Zealand sea cadets in their tin can Sea coffins would not even manage to sink an undefended whaling vessel let alone take on a one of the more powerful navies in the world... And don’t think the much cussed at US would back New Zealand up...who refer to Japan as their biggest un sinkable aircraft carrier.
The Air Farce couldn’t even drop a Sea Shepherd stink bomb with their junk that either wouldn’t have the range reliability or capacity to stage an attack...perhaps they could dust off their glad wrapped sky hawks that are close to half a century old technology.

At least Sea Shepherd invests as required in the tools of their business to make reality TV series in the US.
And they have chosen a prime nation of hippies to uses as props...Unlike Lord of the Rings we are only making loses on this movie for which Sea Shepherd keeps staging events and incidents for footage on. (See &Whale Wars& reality series). You know what makes Ady Gil rich....Movies!...and you need irrational people to see the value in such movies hence using New Zealand’s false guilt ridden hippies...his boat was just a business expense.

So Saint Brian...Get a Brain and a little Christian love you saint.
Perhaps you were the type that the Christian hate clubs in the universities love to speil about endlessly as they for their hobby trash the religion...The ones that would love to don Christian Garb and go around abusing people for Political gain in the name of religion....
Barby may be a little potty but that makes her Barby Cute really but you are just loud stupid ignorance.

I live in that heathen nation that you trash and now I can not face raising my kids in that Holy land of New Zealand for the heathen ness of the nation and the Stupidity of the Government...but perhaps they just reflect the population...the Democracy it sort of is for at least the 15% majority that rule it.
I don’t lock my door at night here nor when I go away on Holidays I leave computers and wallets in my car un locked I have never been robbed here nor fear.
Not like in NZ when in one of the cushier suburbs I have seen violence theft and had to physically chase Burglars with steal bars from my home...You are truly a Xenophobe...and I think you ought to see where a lot of New Zealand’s best income comes from.. Japanese are considered the best Tourists to attract due to their very civilized nature and generous spending.
They don’t always report the same about Kiwis after returning from holidays there.
Any how I am going to buy a few cans of Whale meat to protest your Stupidity and know I have Eco friendly food that saved Thousands of fish lives at the cost of a single prolific species life that lived a happy free range life.
Better than Bacon farmed in New Zealand.

Brian Potty mouth.

You cuss like a heathen!
What do you mean by a heathen.

I saw it a downward looking term. mmm?
You know cannibles, Baby killers Idol worshippers that run around wild.

Where did you get your hatey hate hate from?
I aint seen that model around in a democracy before.
It generally comes out of Pol potty mouths or Nazi diatribe.

Are you what NZ stands for?

I hope not!

Jerry, Solomon and the anonymous Kiwi Chick (which I doubt in all respects)...

You fuckin morons have simply raved on completely avoiding the issue...!!!

It's not what the Jappa's do by comparison in other areas of commerce or the fabric of their society, its solely that they're arrogant little bastards that for so long have ignored the rest of the world (the vast majority of it) on the question of whaling.

There have been numerous meetings between the respective countries and the Japs now for decades, numerous international pleadings by concerned groups about Japan's whaling, numerous attempts at finding so-called "diplomatic" solutions and numerous policies and agreements proffered, all of which have totally failed. These Jappa bastards simply put soft terminology to work ie "scientific research", smile and carry on regardless with a "fuck you" attitude.

Accordingly, the time has arrived to take violent physical action...as in sink the bastards. What the hell do you morons think would happen if some nation ventured into the protected waters or sanctuaries of say North Korea, Russia, China, and even Japan, and carried out illegal activities. I tell you what would happen, the perpetrator would cop a rocket up the arse.

This is exactly what Aotearoa and Oz should be doing also. There's no diplomacy route left to go down...All attempts at reasoning and negotiating an end to whaling have long gone. All avenues of appealing to the Jap's to stop the practice, are closed.

But lets all hear what your solution(s) to the problem is...You haven't offered any solution at all simply introduced irrelevancies...So come on give us all the benefit of what you would propose. Or don't you care ?? Or don't you know ?? Or are you really from fuckin sushi land and love eating whale meat ??

BG

And they can take there snickering tourists home as well as there bloody embassy!

Japan's continued and expanded program of scientific whaling is inconsistent with its obligations under the Law of the Sea Convention, the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling Convention, the Convention on the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (CCAMLR), and the Convention on Biological Diversity to protect and preserve the marine environment, to protect rare and fragile ecosystems and endangered species,
to prepare environmental impact assessments when changes to the marine environment are likely to be caused by its activities, and to refrain from claiming resources under the guise of marine scientific research. This program is not legitimately "scientific" because it has not been peer-reviewed and does not have precise quantifiable goals. It is inconsistent with Japan's obligations under the Convention on Biological Diversity because reduces the sustainability of whale species and has "adverse impacts on biological diversity." It is unquestionably an abuse of
right because it invokes Article VIII of the Whaling Convention in a manner that certainly was unanticipated by the framers of the Convention and has been repeatedly condemned by the majority of the other contracting parties to the Convention.
Japan's actions can be challenged by concerned states in the International Court of Justice or through the dispute resolution procedures of the Law of the Sea Convention and the conciliation procedures of the Convention on Biological Diversity.
And there is more that Japan could/should not be proud of -but thats enough for kiw chick I suspect!

Oops sorry on my stats some Minkes live twenty years but others/mosty I will assume conservatively (because I would hate to be stretching the truth like you enviro terrorists do) about fifty. So teh population in a hundred years will multiply ony 25 times at current catch rates.
In the name of truth for you who are foreign to that concept.

Kiwi Chick

Kiwi Chick,

Interesting you spell your pen name with a "K" ... Seems you may possess something perhaps quite primordial in your past...Incidentally, you weren't brought up on a farm were you, miles from anywhere, where your only leisure time was with the farm animals,,,providing that "special" level of attention you so craved from human contact but had none...Ahem...This could actually now explain your obvious deep seated resentment and lack of compassion for the plight of Whales, Dolphins etc...Alternatively maybe you're a sushi muncher...that would explain a lot !!!

In your estimation bitch, all of us that dare to run counter to your lunatic diatribe (possibly brought on by food poisoning from cans of whale meat - The Asians are good at that) we're all...."not willing to look at any facts and only spew assumptions"..Er..Um..I'm a bit lost here trying to follow such an assertion since I don't see anything assumptive about the fact that Whales are being slaughtered wholesale by the Jap mongrels for complete self gratification and to hell with the rest of the world...Ooops sorry its all in the interests of science right !!

Sure I would gladly man the guns and blow those little MF's off the face of the planet...I got no problem in doing that...But better still throw them in the sea and harpoon them so they get to feel the utter agony Whales experience.

Bitch, your diatribe is totally fuckin boring, unintelligent and offers nothing constructive to the issue whatsoever...Its more likely you're simply getting off on it all purely for the sake of arguing...This isn't difficult to ascertain since you offerings are going nowhere.

Your good buddy
BG

I have been on topic Saint Brian with the potty mouth.
It was just that you were attacking the people and not the practice.

I have in response demonstrated the absolute pitifulness of your ARROGANT self righteousness..

The Main point is

Minkes are a RAPIDLY growing species. 0.002 of the population being harvested each year doesn't have any material effect on that.
The Japanese want whale meat long into the future too.
They are fishing INCREDIBLY CONSERVATIVELY.
20-30 thousand a year could be harvested each year and not deplete the population. NZ and Aussie the US and Britain used to kill far more than that each year.
They shouldn't be assumed to be Dumb as you seem to.
You only attack the Japs not your White Bros up in Norway or Iceland or the Inuits in the US and Canada. They all Catch whales.

You are a blatant racist...so by way of showing how sick in the head you were I on the topics you raised digressed.

Your whole paddy is based on 25 year old propoganda that you obviously know no facts about.
Japan cooperated with rational thinking and joined the IWC, others didn't.
They wanted of course to preserve their industry...
That was the IWC's purpose. You hate that point I am sure.
It was to Preserve the capacity to WHALE. SUCK THAT UP!

At least Finally after much prodding to do so...
Barbs has spoke the true motive for her position.

Congratulations for embracing the full truth Barbs!
I respect you in your position as a Vegeterian.
I understand that view and have considered it and even near practiced it.
I haven't finally been convinced by it....at least not yet.
I can't address lions and for that matter whales and Minkes themselves. Minkies are Carnivourous. and they are also the prey of guess what......Killer Whales.

So Whales those big peaceable creatures do exactly what we do.

They Kill and Get killed by each other.

WHALES are Mass Killers and even Kill each other!!

Did you get that? They are CARNIVOUROUS. So they have no special high intelligence Holy position. Sheep Do! Cows Do! They only eat grass!

If this world was meant to be Non Carnivourous....as some believe....at some point, some dark thing has poisoned the order of nature.
Saints like Brian there if he is such a saint and a Christian would say I suspect that that thing was the fall of man becoming sinners and such people believe that once humans took on arrogance against God the whole order of nature on earth went to Selfishness Killing and death becoming a part of life. The Christian views that we were once vegeterians. Licence to eat meat was given later with clear restrictions

What about that view Barbs If that is the case perhaps you and Brian could with that basis start trying to convert the world back to Vegeterianism.
Lion, Whales, all of us.
Seventh Day adventist Christians believe and practice this view carefully.
But as long as vegeterians try to make protecting one species sepcial rather than all species they will look stupid and illogical.

If you believe it, propose that belief. Don't hide your true motives. They may be right? You will only discredit your views by being half pie with them.

Ghandi finally took his vegeterianism to only eating fruit because he I believe considered that even plants were life and only fruit could be considered intended for food.

Where to stop? I don't know but at least you have a fairly consistant reason for what you believe.

But if nature is just that a lot of animals that are just competing to survive and improve their genetic dominance as we are lead to believe at school... there is no basis for any of these emotions except for human pleasure.

Brian
What exactly is you point on how to spell Chick...
How do you Spell Chick? No K?

I was thinking you verge on the need to be reported to the police for death threats ...You are a Psychopath.

Brian you seem in the order of those that Kill Abortionists...

Except they are Humans saving humans being slaughtered.

You have put your self in a position where you have no choice like Barbs has had the Balls to do....

Declare yourself a Vegeterian... Your only rationale basis for being able to kill humans to protect a species that IS NOT ENDANGERED (numbers provided and easily accessible above) is that all life is sacred except those that take others life.
On that basis;
Japs kill whales so are eligible for death penalty for doing so.
That would make consistant sense.
You would be equally enraged by Freezing workers and they if they don't quit killing cows and sheep would be eligible for your judged death penalty.
Japanese were predominantly vegeterian until westerners arrived there except for fish eating and only during WW2 did Military dominated Bhudism officially permit Bhudists to eat meat.

So I take it you will be bombing Freezing works killing rooms, Killing Freezing workers.....yeah?

Are you on such a Jihad...Or is it only Slope head Yellow Skin Asians you hate?

A steak on the Barb Q is fine? or not? Speak the truth if you are not like Pete the Pirate meat eater a Hypocrite!
(And I won't buy the 10 of the 20 cans of Whale meat I have commited to buy to spite the nonsense from you guys! I already decided that now Barbs has spoken the truth about her motives that make sense to not buy the 10 cans in her name)
Is eating a non carnivourous gentle creature like a cow OK? ....but not a killer animal like Minke whales are?
They Kill Hundreds and thousands and possibly millions of fish in their 20 to 50 year lives. The breed from 7 years old. and there is 500,000 of these fish killer harvesters. But what goes around comes around...and Other whales kill and eat them....Killer whales.

Gentle creatures....Perhaps we should only kill Killer whales because they kill whales and that would be justice as killer whales murder species that are equal to even humans....oops but Minkes kill fish...so we must kill of the murderous minkes....we will be left with an earth of cows sheep and jelly fish.

They don't eat other animals do they?

Shucks this vegeterianism and Militant Vegeterian Jihad especially gets very Complex doesn't it?

Brian....Straighten up your thoughts.... At least assure me you are a Vegeterian. Empty my arguments. And in your Holy War against the heathen...Please be fair and consider shooting your White brother whale killers too. At least be fair!

I will perhaps enquire with the police about what constitutes a death threat.
Weaker words were considered a death threat when Bradford was violating Democracy with "Key the Crapper on of Democracy" that thinks the majority don't count...
Not easy being green...On that smacking issue Democracy was irrelevant and Key was right to go against the many time verified Vast majority of Kiwis.....On Whaling well we don't have stats any where near as clear on Kiwi repulsion to whaling but I am sure you greenies would like democracy this week IF in fact a majority was behind you.

All these comments about Key losing his legitimacy to govern etc....never heard that on the last green party issue.

BTW if yu can get a referendum going I will support energetically the outcome. Even if that is to oppose Japanese whaling at all costs.

Though I will concientiously object to Brians Jihad.